This post is in regards to this video that Jono suggested I watch. So if you're reading I suggest you watch it to! Definitely interesting.
I thought the atheists made terrible points quite frankly and they had no concrete facts they continued to ball park numbers and figures and couldn't even look the Christians in the face while they were talking. The male continued to push everything onto the female who, for one, said that the United States is "the most religious of all countries," which isn't true because India has a population over 1 billion people as compared to the United States which only has a little over 300 million of which (according to Wikipedia), in both cases nearly 99% of Indians claim to be of some faith whereas only 91% of Americans claim to have a religious affiliation or connection, meaning we are far from the "most religious of all countries." Maybe she meant, we have the largest Christian population in the world, meaning her argument is that the largest nation of Christians have the highest crime rate of all nations. Without getting into an argument of how difficult it is to not only measure crime rates in general, but also in the same universal way, I feel she is off base here. I searched Google for something or anything concrete in regards to crime rate and found nothing. However if she wants to go this route I think it's worth noting that we probably have one of the largest atheist populations in the world besides communistic China. For although Sweden might have an atheistic population of 80% or 90% (which the atheist in the video struggled to come up with adding to their lack of credibility), they only have a population of 9 million people meaning 810,000 atheist(90% of 9 million). This in comparison to the United States whose 2001 ARIS (American Religious Identification Survey) has the atheist population in the US at 8.4%. Sure that number could have changed significantly over the last six years or might be off because only 50,000 Americans were polled, but if any bias were to exist I think it would be in favor of increasing the percentage of religious followers in our country. For I'm sure there are a lot of atheist (whether they call themselves that or not) who might check off Christian because they go to church once a year because they have to go with their families. Either way we'll use this 8% as a ball park of atheist in our country of over 300 million people would me that we have an atheist population of roughly 25 million, in other words one of the larger atheist populations in the world. Therefore, no wonder our crime rate is so high! LOL j/k, but you can see how numbers can be skewed in favor of one's bias.
I also didn't feel as though the Christians did a wonderful job either as you mentioned. They especially had trouble with the question about why such a perfect and loving God would create evil, and I think this is a pretty simple. The evil in this world is God's way of presenting the imperfection of this world as compared to the perfection of the next i.e. Heaven. If this world were perfect, why would we as humans need Heaven and why would we need to turn to God and religion in our hardships. However, even in this world he is a loving God, for as pointed out in John 3:16-18, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."
Thanks for reading let me know what you think.
Monday, November 26, 2007
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I'm curious if you got to see the other parts of the debate. Those two links I gave are 2 of about 17 parts of the debate. I only picked those two because they had interesting points to me. I do feel the main reason I put the one about the crime rate in the U.S. is many people believe that atheists can not have morales without a higher power. If you get a chance I hope you watch the whole thing.
Ya I'll have to check that out...
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